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Old 03-26-2015, 10:11 PM   #51
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I bet Line of David was a really nice dirt horse, too. We had synthetic when he was around right?

LOD won the Ark Derby!!
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Correct about Line of David, but were his only 2 dirt races the Ark and Kentucky Derby? Maybe I'm wrong about the surfaces in Cali....


Anyways.... Mubtaahij anyone? He had a dream trip, but jesus fucking christ. He apparently will be in Kentucky.
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Correct about Line of David, but were his only 2 dirt races the Ark and Kentucky Derby? Maybe I'm wrong about the surfaces in Cali....


Anyways.... Mubtaahij anyone? He had a dream trip, but jesus fucking christ. He apparently will be in Kentucky.
I literally sent a near identical text to my buddy. Wow. He will be in the Derby....and he will also be on my tickets. I never thought I'd use a UAE Derby winner in the derby, but he appears to be the real deal. Dream trip and weak field or not, that was a real performance.
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Carpe Diem


Dortmund


Upstart
Well... Upstart wasn't exactly a monster. But was a bit wide. Any potential value if he drifts up to 20-1 in the future pool? Or do you get that Derby day now anyways...? Or is he done?
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Upstart lost a lot of ground when interfered with. Wonder why no objection? Looked worse in fla derby that when Upstart got DQ in fountain of youth?
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Make note of the bold quote and bookmark it. That's HUGE INFO on a horse!!!



(Compare to Constitution): "There are some similarities, they're both lightly raced horses that won the Florida Derby early in their career, but our biggest concern was just coming back in 22 days off a really huge effort. So we monitored how he was training--he looked great. He's a big, strong colt and he holds his weight really well. He's got a big appetite. He put forth a really good breeze a week ago so we felt like he was showing us all of the right signs. Yet you still worry about those situations when you get to the eighth pole. Watching Stanford (second in Islamorada) finish a very good second in the Louisiana Derby about a half-hour before gives you a little more confidence, but you're still concerned about the short turnaround.
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I gather horses are never the same after running on the asphalt they have for a surface over there in Dubai. He romped no doubt
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I believe they changed the surface @ Meydan this year.

In fact, i was recently told by a bloodstock agent that they actually shipped in (from Kentucky) the exact same dirt that they use @ Churchill Downs.
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Hmmm.... Well hunch play coach cal doesn't lead his pre Madonna Wildcats past the hungry badgers Wisconsin money line!! Good luck.
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Well Carpe and Dortmund both showed major class today.


I thought Prospect Park got a horrible ride, and the connections are going to be furious with Kent if getting nosed out for 3rd cost them a Derby chance.
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Well Carpe and Dortmund both showed major class today.


I thought Prospect Park got a horrible ride, and the connections are going to be furious with Kent if getting nosed out for 3rd cost them a Derby chance.
After watching again, I think PP hates being between horses and his race was over when Kent yanked on him entering the first turn. If he makes the Derby he's your Giacomo type.

Firing Line looks pretty good after yesterday too.
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Hmmm.... Well hunch play coach cal doesn't lead his pre Madonna Wildcats past the hungry badgers Wisconsin money line!! Good luck.
This was very true.
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The following morning, his trainer, Clff Sise Jr., said Prospect Park had acted quiet in his stall in the hours leading up to the race, and though his temperature was normal, Sise said he suspects that “something was awry” and he was inclined to throw the race out.
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If that is the case, he has a health issue. Why press forward?

Just didn't see if everything went right from my eye. Not good enough to contend.
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I think PP is on the bubble anyway?

After Ark Derby he won't have the points to get in anyway?

McPeek and Moquett are confidant they will run 2nd and 3rd behind Pharoah.

As Bachman-Turner Overdrive said "You Ain't seen nothing Yet"

Wait till you see Pharoah on Saturday!!!!!
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John, keep us informed on AP, he's a freak, I have no doubt!
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I think PP is on the bubble anyway?

After Ark Derby he won't have the points to get in anyway?

McPeek and Moquett are confidant they will run 2nd and 3rd behind Pharoah.

As Bachman-Turner Overdrive said "You Ain't seen nothing Yet"

Wait till you see Pharoah on Saturday!!!!!

AP will have company on the front end this time IMO!! Did you all here Gary Young's comments on AP. He told Elliot Walden, that's he is the second coming of Seattle Slew via his eyes. This man knows horses through and through!!
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last night at hot springs rotary club meeting, frank was the speaker and said, "if you want to see history, come to oaklawn on saturday to see AP" he said from what he has been told, he could eventually be in the convo with the greats of all time.
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After watching again, I think PP hates being between horses and his race was over when Kent yanked on him entering the first turn. If he makes the Derby he's your Giacomo type.

Firing Line looks pretty good after yesterday too.
Exactly. Unless you count Mr. Z in the Los Al Futurity, Firing Line is the only horse who has been able to hang with Dortmund this year. He's been running away from everyone else.

Firing Line ran Dortmund to a neck decision twice in a row (proving it wasn't a fluke), then went down and beat a fairly decent horse (Why Two) by 14 lengths at Sunland, while setting a track record. Dortmund has since flattered Firing Line by posting impressive wins in the San Felipe and SA Derby.

These two are very close in my opinion. And you know what? Firing Line may be triple (perhaps even quadruple) Dortmund's price on Derby Day. I think he's easily the biggest value ion the race.

Another value-type horse to look at (in my opinion), is Mubtaahij. I was extremely impressed by his sudden acceleration in the UAE Derby when Christophe Soumillon pressed the button on him. Throw in the Churchill-surface angle that i mentioned previously i this thread, and also consider that his trainer (the exceptional Mike de Kock) has a ton of experience training horses for 1 1/4-mile (and longer) races, and i think we may have something here. And this horse should be 20/1or higher on raceday.

Have a look for yourselves...yellow silks on the inside:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=677rgOnAbOw[/video]


Another quick note regarding Soumillon; he has experience riding horses in extremely large fields (like the Arc, for instance). That's gotta help.

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I rarely back a horse off a maiden win, but when DM won his maiden with ease at Gulfstream and then to come back and work like a beast before the Tamp Bay Derby I was like I'm going to back him in the Tampa Bay Derby over Carpe Diem. I thought Carpe might be a little short coming off the bench and the only horse I though that could run with him was DM. Well we all saw what happend and CD won for run and DM ran a very disappointing race. Here is what I read today about DM after the race.



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Two days after the Tampa Derby he started to lay down in his stall and did so for several days and was very listless walking the shed, which for a good-feeling horse like him is a major warning sign. They pulled blood on him and his white blood count was way out of whack, indicating he had been fighting off a viral infection at Tampa. That forced him to miss the Florida Derby, and as Casse said, when you get your butt whipped the way he did at Tampa, you normally wouldn’t come back in the Blue Grass against the horse that whipped you. But they felt confident that wasn’t the real Danzig Moon and they were proven right.
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Of the 3 u mentioned I will not be any of them to win in the exotics
I will will be surprised if any of the 3 will be in the first 3 spots

As for AP he is so overhyped that it will not surprise me if he does not live up to the
Expectations of winning. Most never do and who wants a low priced favorite in one off the
Difficult races to figure. If I am wrong there is always another day!
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Of the 3 u mentioned I will not be any of them to win in the exotics
I will will be surprised if any of the 3 will be in the first 3 spots

As for AP he is so overhyped that it will not surprise me if he does not live up to the
Expectations of winning. Most never do and who wants a low priced favorite in one off the
Difficult races to figure. If I am wrong there is always another day!
This is a perfect example of why horse racing is such a fun game. I consider myself a experienced horse player and Trotman you are a senior member of a horse racing forum so I think it's safe to assume you are a experienced horse player. We both look at the same race and my top 3 horses are AP, Dortmund, Upstart in that order and you will be surprised if any of those 3 even hit the board . I may prove to be right or maybe you will end up being right but either way you gotta love this game !!!!
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And I still feel like Firing Line might like more distance.
Fuck yeah he did. Really a shame Line of David got hurt. He was gonna be a monster dirt horse. Firing Line is poised to have a big career from a mile to 1 1/4. He might be a good sire too.
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