Dunkirk will finish ?

I have him on my tickets because I believe he is the second best horse in the Derby but may get caught at the wire trying to chase down QR.

So far I have Desert Party, Dunkirk, Chocolate Candy and Musket Man boxed underneath QR... I will figure out 2 more before the Derby and that is my ticket for the Tri and Super.

I doubt that Dunkirk will hit the board.

from the homework ive done so far i agree with you D.C. I see at this point the headline of a dissapointing 9th or so

Originally Posted by DiscreetCat

I doubt that Dunkirk will hit the board.

I will bite what do you guys see that I don't. I see a very talented horse who has 2 races of 1 1/8th under his belt and unlike others in the Derby he has run 1 1/8th a full second faster than everyone else except QR.

Any move forward and he can't help but hit the board. Gomez will be a big help.

Folks QR is a beast and the fact that he was within shouting distance of him at the wire tells me this horse is very talented. Its hard to imagine 3 horses 3 horses beating him to the wire.

some horses plain want to win!! weather its a target on the ass of the horses in front of him or her, or the extra gears to kick into when the steps are getting louder. When Dunkirk had quality road in his eyes the choice was made inside him. there are a few others in the field that have that drive inside themselves to plain win. I dont feel dunkirk has that which is what differenciates ( however the hell ya spell it) a very good horse from a great one. That is just my opinion and what will keep my money off of dunkirk

I just think he's short on foundation, and Pletcher hasn't had much success in the Derby to begin with. Also, in combination with the foundation issue, i don't think the layoff from the Florida Derby is going to do him any favors. Just don't have a good feeling about him.

Maybe i'm contradicting myself a bit, because i do like Quality Road. That one doesn't have a lot of foundation either, faces the same layoff issue, and of course missed a workout with the quarter crack problem. He does have the extra race under his belt though, and his training stretches back much farther than Dunkirk
s. He also has a clear pace edge on Dunkirk (something i brought up before the Florida Derby), and he was finishing better than Dunkirk in that last race. He also has more room to improve than Dunkirk, i think, as the Florida Derby represented his first two-turn race (compared to Dunkirk's second).

Just more to like with Quality Road. If Dunkirk can improve on Curlin's third-place finish (for horses who didn't run as a 2yo), i'll be surprised.

Please Wake Up !! The Fl Derby Was A Sham ..the Track Was Set To Have Some Big Times ...so They Can Say "and The Derby Winner Came From Gulfstream"(they Thought They Were Doing The Right Thing ......take A Look At Sincero Yesterday He A Lot Better Then He Showed But .why Did He Run Soo Bad ...he Got Beat Up In The Fl Derby Just Like Dunkirk And Q-road Shit That Fucker Came Back Bleeding And You Think He Going To Improve Off That !!wake Up And Please Get Off That Train.... That Got Loser Printed All Over It ..........t This Is The Last Time I Will Bring This Up But If You Open Your Mouth About How You Can "t See Him Getting Beat ............ I Say ......close Your Eyes And Thing About Robbing A Bank That Easy Too. Now Stop Acting Like A 13 Yr Old..........remember I Don't Sell My Bets And I Have A Reason To Back Them Up .. That 1:12 Work Should Of Told You Something Was Wrong But You Think It Was Good ..come On..stop The Bullshit AND Don't Let That Gambler Blow Smoke Up Your Ass

Originally Posted by DUNCO

Please Wake Up !! The Fl Derby Was A Sham ..the Track Was Set To Have Some Big Times ...so They Can Say "and The Derby Winner Came From Gulfstream"(they Thought They Were Doing The Right Thing ......take A Look At Sincero Yesterday He A Lot Better Then He Showed But .why Did He Run Soo Bad ...he Got Beat Up In The Fl Derby Just Like Dunkirk And Q-road Shit That Fucker Came Back Bleeding And You Think He Going To Improve Off That !!wake Up And Please Get Off That Train.... That Got Loser Printed All Over It ..........t This Is The Last Time I Will Bring This Up But If You Open Your Mouth About How You Can "t See Him Getting Beat ............ I Say ......close Your Eyes And Thing About Robbing A Bank That Easy Too. Now Stop Acting Like A 13 Yr Old..........remember I Don't Sell My Bets And I Have A Reason To Back Them Up .. That 1:12 Work Should Of Told You Something Was Wrong But You Think It Was Good ..come On..stop The Bullshit AND Don't Let That Gambler Blow Smoke Up Your Ass

Dunco ..... I really have no idea what you are talking about. A 1:12 workout is a very good workout by any standards and its faster than FF runs in his races. You can bash Quality Road all you like but he is the monster to beat in this race. With his speed and ability to run a 1:35 mile something strange would have to happen to stop him from romping big time. Like it or not with the lack of any true speed in this race Quality Road is pretty much going to have things his way.

Discreet... I don't see Dunkirk winning but I also don't see 4 horses beating him. His lack of racing at 2 is a problem but he does get credit for having 2 races at 1 1/.8th...., I 100% guarantee you he will finish ahead of Friesan Fire.

Hue you make a good point but I cannot forget that Dunkirk has run 1 1/8th faster than every horse in the race except 1. Dunkirk will be in the bottom of my tickets for sure and my exacta.

If You Think A 1:12 Work Is A Good Work For A Super Star You Got A Lot To Learn .he Sore........but You Can Play This Game All The Way To The Derby And I Keep Telling You What A Rookie You Are But That What You Need Someone To Hold Your Hand And To Agree With Your Dumb Ass Picks.. The Funy Thing Is Q-road Might Win And You'll Think You Told Everybody.. The Horse Should Be The Fav, Because People Like You Don't See Past Your Nose.......thats What Puts Money In The Pockets Of The People That Been There.......and Moved On ...

Dunco I can out handicap you any time any place.

The Derby is just 12 days away. Handicap the races on that day and post your winners and I will post mine. You don't have a chance......

People like me don't see past their nose ? Lol... be serious the horse set a track record FIRST TIME going 2 turns...what ? Do you have to get hit with a brick ? There is no 3 year old on this planet that can stay with him. They could line up 40 horses and it would not matter.

Originally Posted by Draynay

Dunco I can out handicap you any time any place.

The Derby is just 12 days away. Handicap the races on that day and post your winners and I will post mine. You don't have a chance......

People like me don't see past their nose ? Lol... be serious the horse set a track record FIRST TIME going 2 turns...what ? Do you have to get hit with a brick ? There is no 3 year old on this planet that can stay with him. They could line up 40 horses and it would not matter.

HE GOT A BAR SHOE ON DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS... I'LL GIVE YOU 2-1 THAT HE DOSN'T HIT THE BOARD......IF YOUR SMART YOU MIGHT CATCH THIRD AS HE LIMPS IN .........NO DON'T TAKE THE BET ..IT YOUR LUNCH MONEY

Lol.... Dunco you must be the 13 year old. I don't care if he is wearing a glass slipper he is still the fastest horse in the race. Won't hit the board....lol... now you just sound silly.

Originally Posted by Draynay

Lol.... Dunco you must be the 13 year old. I don't care if he is wearing a glass slipper he is still the fastest horse in the race. Won't hit the board....lol... now you just sound silly.

ALL TALK NO BALLS

Just put your money up crazy man.....

Originally Posted by Draynay

Just put your money up crazy man.....

I'M IN 50-1 FOR $20

Since when is Quality Road wearing a bar shoe? Last i heard, the foot was okay.

The time argument is pretty silly. Time is important, greatly so, but it MUST be taken into account what kind of surface the time was recorded on. Some tracks are faster than others. And the Gulfstream track was definitely playing faster than normal on Florida Derby Day.

Workout times (by themselves) mean very little unless you know how a horse was doing it. The horse could've bee under restraint, or he could've been being pushed on. Big difference, and really no way to know unless you have workout reports. That's why i posted that link to the Derby workout reports, they should give us some further insight.

Not to bang on anyones opinion here but DC is correct about the workout times. I do look at them but more the last 1 or 2. some trainers are speed all the way in workout wise and other trainers not at all. Draynay I know your set on what your going to do but trust me use your white out on that workout it truely means nothing for that one.

It Seems To Me After Reading The 20 Post Above Me Its The Usual Pre-derby Bullshit...and What I Mean By That Is Everybody Gets So Hyped Up About This/that And Doesent Look At The Big Picture......im Going To Give You A Past But Sad Betting Day In My Life..........true But Shocking Story.....
May 1991 Kentucky Derby I Took 10 People To The Now Defunct Garden State Racetrack Clubhouse Restaurant For Derby Day And To Lay The Largest Bet I Have Ever Placed In My Life Wether Sports Or Horses...................i Bet $ 10,000.00 On "hansel" In The Derby I Had Never Felt So Confident On A 3 Year Old Going Into The Race Needless To Say I Got Hammered And Beat By A Piece Of Shit Called "strike The Gold" Nick Zito--antley $11.00 Winner......so The Day Cost Me Close To $12,000.00 ...............needless To Say Two Weeks Later Hansel Romped In The Preakness Paid $21.60 At Calder 3 Weeks Later He Won The Belmont Paid $6.00......the Only Race Hansel Lost As A 3y.o Ld Was The Day I Laid The Biggest Bet In My Life.....now Lets Analise Why He Lost The Derby..........moving On January 3rd. 1992 Opening Day Gulfstream Meet I Go To The Track At 10.00am Im In The Paddock Watching Bailey--day--krone--sellers Filming Gulfstream T.v. Commercial,when They Were Done I Called Bailey Over And Asked Him What Happened To Hansel In The Derby.....he Said To Me He New During The Warmups That He Had No Chance As The Horse Wasnt Grasping /taking To The Track,i Said Thats Fucking Beautiful Jerry I Sure Wished I Had Known That.......thats The Excuse You Get From A Hall Of Fame Rider ........dont Get Overly Excited About This Race .........anything Can Happen.........remember The Alamo........i Meant Gicamo.......

Originally Posted by DiscreetCat

Since when is Quality Road wearing a bar shoe? Last i heard, the foot was okay.

The time argument is pretty silly. Time is important, greatly so, but it MUST be taken into account what kind of surface the time was recorded on. Some tracks are faster than others. And the Gulfstream track was definitely playing faster than normal on Florida Derby Day.

Workout times (by themselves) mean very little unless you know how a horse was doing it. The horse could've bee under restraint, or he could've been being pushed on. Big difference, and really no way to know unless you have workout reports. That's why i posted that link to the Derby workout reports, they should give us some further insight.

A patch and bar shoe were placed on Quality Road, but Monday morning, there was a trickle of blood following a morning gallop at Belmont Park. Hoof specialist Ian McKinlay, whose past clients include 1997 Belmont S. (G1) winner Touch Gold and 2008 Kentucky Derby/Preakness (G1) winner Big Brown, placed a new patch on Quality Road Wednesday morning and said he foresees no future problems.

"We laid a drain in there, and there was a little bit of drainage (Wednesday), but nothing significant," McKinlay said. "This morning, everything was ice cold. I would say that, from what I saw, it's a done deal."

Jerkens planned to work either Friday or Saturday, but opted for the early work to avoid the rain that was expected on Friday afternoon. Jerkens will keep Quality Road at Belmont Park until April 28, and plans to move his works to the main track.

did hansel have any kids ?......... so you could throw your money at them...they got to eat too

I have been going to Gulfstream Park since 1982. I know the place and many of the people like the back of my hand. The track on Saturday during the Florida Derby was prepared the exact same way it was on Thursday and Friday. It is simply UNREAL that because This Ones for Phil and Big Drama dueled in a epic race to the finish line and set a record doing it that it somehow diminishes what Quality Road did in the Florida Derby. Many you need to look up the past performances of these 2 horses and realize they are very good and very fast horses.

What you saw that day was back to back BRILLIANT performances by 3 fantastic horses. The nonsense that the track was somehow juiced up has to stop here and now. I was there!!! The track was not "juiced" horses that were average were running average times. Only brilliant performances by tremendous horses were producing any records at all.

Only in our sport could you see several horses put in legendary performances and our comments read like "Wow the track sure was fast" NO NO NO!!! What you saw were fast times run by very fast horses.