Value on Mine That Bird in the Preakness?

DiscreetCat · 05-03-2009, 11:49 AM

The thing I've most noticed since the race is how everyone seems to be talking about how shocking and implausible Mine That Bird's win was, rather than focusing on his performance. I mean, the horse ran great, and he's getting zero credit for it. None. And he won by almost 7 lengths...

Draynay · 05-03-2009, 02:00 PM

It just goes against EVERYTHING the Derby is about when a bum like that gets in and then wins. It was a fluke plain and simple and the jockey deserves most of the credit not the horse. Let's see if he ever wins another race all year long. I doubt it.

DiscreetCat · 05-03-2009, 02:40 PM

Most likely he just flipped out in the mud. I've heard drugs being mentioned as a possibility, but if this guy were in the business of "performance enhancement", he wouldn't have such a woeful record (1-for-32 on the year before Mine That Bird's win).

DUNCO · 05-03-2009, 03:06 PM

Musket Ran Huge 3-6 Wide The Whole Trip Only To Get Nosed For 2nd Or Should I Say $200k

DiscreetCat · 05-03-2009, 03:36 PM

Just for the record, Mine That Bird's winning margin is greater than those of Barbaro and Big Brown, two horses who went into the Preakness as prohibitive favorites. Granted, they both possessed FAR better race records than does Mine That Bird, but the fact remains that Mine that Bird ran just as well in the Derby as either of those two horses.

Btw, it'll be interesting to see what kind of Beyer figure Mine That Bird receives. My guess is it'll be far lower than if Dunkirk had won by 7 lengths.

rayphil · 05-03-2009, 04:32 PM

he ran the race he should get the credit thats do. I believe it was gambler who said it was going to be a giacomo type race....the horse who suprise besides mine that bird is papa clem....

Draynay · 05-03-2009, 05:29 PM

My money will be on Big Drama to win the Preakness.... I doubt Mine That Bird shows up.

fbwinners · 05-03-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscreetCat

The thing I've most noticed since the race is how everyone seems to be talking about how shocking and implausible Mine That Bird's win was, rather than focusing on his performance. I mean, the horse ran great, and he's getting zero credit for it. None. And he won by almost 7 lengths...

I have wathced the derby about 7 times today, and that performance was strong, it's not like the horse had only one win, he was 5/8 with 4 wins and had 4 route races under his belt. Bred on top and bottom for distance and mud. Congrats to Calvin, this guy can flat out ride. The top three finishers never ran a 100 beyer (lol).

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hue21998 · 05-04-2009, 02:58 AM

The rail ran strong all day long, would the horse won without Bo-rail on board, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts.......... the horse ran well and calvin gave him a perfect trip now lets hope he can win the preakness or the belmont pools are going to suck.

djlocks · 05-04-2009, 04:36 AM

It is just amazing to me when you look at the overhead of the race how fast Mine that Bird is going and everyone else is stuck in the mud.

hue21998 · 05-04-2009, 04:47 AM

why do you think the rail was so strong all day

djlocks · 05-04-2009, 04:53 AM

It's funny. At the last minute, I put a place bet in on the 8. I had boxed the 16,2,7,19 in an exacta box. I only did it because I read some guys posts at another site that said if the Bird horse comes in with Borel I lose all my tickets. Sure enough there he is. I don't buy into anything being done to the horse. Weather is a great equalizer in sports. I think that played a factor. Also it didn't hurt that he had Borel on him who obviously knows Churchill up and down.

Draynay · 05-04-2009, 05:01 AM

Mine that Bird Beyer 105

POTN ...... 96

Barbar0Fan · 05-04-2009, 09:21 AM

Little is being said about POTN finishing second. If HE had been on the rail we might be talking about a legit contender for the Triple Crown. The real race going on 7 lengths behind MTB had POTN gritting it out to stay ahead of Musket Man. This horse is not just a synthetic specialist. I think his effort in the slop showed that he will be a contender on both surfaces. He's my pick for the Belmont.

DiscreetCat · 05-04-2009, 04:17 PM

I think Mine That Bird's Beyer came back low. So did Rachel Alexandra's, for that matter.

05-03-2009, 11:49 AM	#1
DiscreetCat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,134 Thanks: 75 Thanked 195 Times in 164 Posts Rep Power: 18	Value on Mine That Bird in the Preakness? The thing I've most noticed since the race is how everyone seems to be talking about how shocking and implausible Mine That Bird's win was, rather than focusing on his performance. I mean, the horse ran great, and he's getting zero credit for it. None. And he won by almost 7 lengths... __________________ www.DiscreetPicks.com

05-03-2009, 02:40 PM	#3
DiscreetCat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,134 Thanks: 75 Thanked 195 Times in 164 Posts Rep Power: 18	Most likely he just flipped out in the mud. I've heard drugs being mentioned as a possibility, but if this guy were in the business of "performance enhancement", he wouldn't have such a woeful record (1-for-32 on the year before Mine That Bird's win). __________________ www.DiscreetPicks.com

05-03-2009, 03:36 PM	#5
DiscreetCat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,134 Thanks: 75 Thanked 195 Times in 164 Posts Rep Power: 18	Just for the record, Mine That Bird's winning margin is greater than those of Barbaro and Big Brown, two horses who went into the Preakness as prohibitive favorites. Granted, they both possessed FAR better race records than does Mine That Bird, but the fact remains that Mine that Bird ran just as well in the Derby as either of those two horses. Btw, it'll be interesting to see what kind of Beyer figure Mine That Bird receives. My guess is it'll be far lower than if Dunkirk had won by 7 lengths. __________________ www.DiscreetPicks.com

05-04-2009, 04:17 PM	#15
DiscreetCat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,134 Thanks: 75 Thanked 195 Times in 164 Posts Rep Power: 18	I think Mine That Bird's Beyer came back low. So did Rachel Alexandra's, for that matter. __________________ www.DiscreetPicks.com

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05-03-2009, 02:00 PM	#2
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	It just goes against EVERYTHING the Derby is about when a bum like that gets in and then wins. It was a fluke plain and simple and the jockey deserves most of the credit not the horse. Let's see if he ever wins another race all year long. I doubt it.

05-03-2009, 03:06 PM	#4
DUNCO Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: sunny florida Posts: 1,262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 34 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 0	Musket Ran Huge 3-6 Wide The Whole Trip Only To Get Nosed For 2nd Or Should I Say $200k

05-03-2009, 04:32 PM	#6
rayphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Baltimore,Md. Posts: 1,906 Thanks: 78 Thanked 53 Times in 47 Posts Rep Power: 8	he ran the race he should get the credit thats do. I believe it was gambler who said it was going to be a giacomo type race....the horse who suprise besides mine that bird is papa clem....

05-03-2009, 05:29 PM	#7
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	My money will be on Big Drama to win the Preakness.... I doubt Mine That Bird shows up.

05-04-2009, 02:58 AM	#9
hue21998 Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 968 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	The rail ran strong all day long, would the horse won without Bo-rail on board, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts.......... the horse ran well and calvin gave him a perfect trip now lets hope he can win the preakness or the belmont pools are going to suck.

05-04-2009, 04:36 AM	#10
djlocks Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	It is just amazing to me when you look at the overhead of the race how fast Mine that Bird is going and everyone else is stuck in the mud.

05-04-2009, 04:47 AM	#11
hue21998 Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 968 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	why do you think the rail was so strong all day

05-04-2009, 04:53 AM	#12
djlocks Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	It's funny. At the last minute, I put a place bet in on the 8. I had boxed the 16,2,7,19 in an exacta box. I only did it because I read some guys posts at another site that said if the Bird horse comes in with Borel I lose all my tickets. Sure enough there he is. I don't buy into anything being done to the horse. Weather is a great equalizer in sports. I think that played a factor. Also it didn't hurt that he had Borel on him who obviously knows Churchill up and down.

05-04-2009, 05:01 AM	#13
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	Mine that Bird Beyer 105 POTN ...... 96

05-04-2009, 09:21 AM	#14
Barbar0Fan Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 0	Little is being said about POTN finishing second. If HE had been on the rail we might be talking about a legit contender for the Triple Crown. The real race going on 7 lengths behind MTB had POTN gritting it out to stay ahead of Musket Man. This horse is not just a synthetic specialist. I think his effort in the slop showed that he will be a contender on both surfaces. He's my pick for the Belmont.