Gotta believe that Mr. Hot Stuff has made it into the Derby

DiscreetCat · 04-18-2009, 04:03 PM

Just read that Charitable Man is out. Looks like Mr. Hot Stuff is probably getting in. Incidentally, when they showed the latest earnings list on ESPN2's Lexington broadcast, they had MHS pegged @ #19. That was before the winner (Advice) leapfrogged him, so now he'd be listed @ #20.

Interestingly, both MHS and Advice are owned by WinStar Farm, so if they they were forced to do it, they would have the option of pulling Advice in order to get MHS in there. Not saying they would do that, but it would be an option. They also own the Lane's End winner Hold Me Back, for whatever that's worth.

Draynay · 04-18-2009, 04:10 PM

Square Eddie needs to stay home and has no business going 1 1/4. Advice ? Whatever.

DiscreetCat · 04-18-2009, 04:25 PM

True, Square Eddie could still defect. But if his owners were so hot to run him in the Derby that they rushed him back from injury and were even talking about training him right into the Derby off a 3-month layoff, then i don't think today's result is going to stop them.

rayphil · 04-18-2009, 04:56 PM

he will still run in the derby. I just laughed when they said on espn2 that now gomez has 3 deicsions including advice into the situation. After watching them guys on espn draynay I would be worried because that one guy not bailey put QR as his top pick...I also believe hammerin hank also picked him..Them guys are so annoying to me..Especially bailey the tank..

Draynay · 04-18-2009, 04:59 PM

Jerry B. last year predicted Pyro to win the Derby last year right before the race. I have not listened to another word come out of his mouth ever since.

Draynay · 04-18-2009, 05:01 PM

I know I have sounded like a broken record... but serioulsly there is no horse even remotely close to Quality Road in speed or talent.

The interesting part of the Derby will be to see how Dunkirk does against the field because I truly believe the #1 spot is a given.

FlyinLate · 04-18-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Draynay

Jerry B. last year predicted Pyro to win the Derby last year right before the race. I have not listened to another word come out of his mouth ever since.

Who cares about Jerry B. If you picked the same horse Hank did your screwed. Guy can instantly jinx a 1-9 shot. He NEVER wins. Don't even know why this guy is still part of their horse racing broadcasts.

Draynay · 04-18-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyinLate

Who cares about Jerry B. If you picked the same horse Hank did your screwed. Guy can instantly jinx a 1-9 shot. He NEVER wins. Don't even know why this guy is still part of their horse racing broadcasts.

I guess for the same reason that idiot has that 58 flat show on TVG......

hue21998 · 04-18-2009, 05:11 PM

Draynay maybe you can slip the square heads connections a few bucks to keep him home. Still hoping for summer bird. Not sure if he would win but sure would have a good shot at hittin the top 4

DUNCO · 04-18-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Draynay

Square Eddie needs to stay home and has no business going 1 1/4. Advice ? Whatever.

YOU TALK OUT YOUR ASS THE HORSE DWELT AT THE START RUSHED UP BLEW THE TURN WENT FIVE WIDE ASS WIPE PARDO PUSHED THE BUTTON 1/8 MI TO EARLY FLEW BY THE FIELD AND HAD NOTHING LEFT ,,,,,YOU DUMB ASS IT WAS THE SAME THING DUNKIRK DID BUT HE DIDN'T DWELT. BUT HE YOUR SECOND CHOICE.....COME ON !!!!!!!!!YOUR DUMB ASS REMARKS SHOW YOUR JUST LOOKING FOR SOME DUMB ASS TO PAT YOU ON YOUR BACK...GET OVER IT ...HEADS UP I'LL TAKE SQ ED THAT WILL BE 50-1 OVER YOUR BEAT UP SORE NAG THAT WILL BE 3-1 THEY HAVE NO BUISINESS RUNNING A SORE ,THREE LEGGED HAS BEEN............

Draynay · 04-18-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DUNCO

YOU TALK OUT YOUR ASS THE HORSE DWELT AT THE START RUSHED UP BLEW THE TURN WENT FIVE WIDE ASS WIPE PARDO PUSHED THE BUTTON 1/8 MI TO EARLY FLEW BY THE FIELD AND HAD NOTHING LEFT ,,,,,YOU DUMB ASS IT WAS THE SAME THING DUNKIRK DID BUT HE DIDN'T DWELT. BUT HE YOUR SECOND CHOICE.....COME ON !!!!!!!!!YOUR DUMB ASS REMARKS SHOW YOUR JUST LOOKING FOR SOME DUMB ASS TO PAT YOU ON YOUR BACK...GET OVER IT ...HEADS UP I'LL TAKE SQ ED THAT WILL BE 50-1 OVER YOUR BEAT UP SORE NAG THAT WILL BE 3-1 THEY HAVE NO BUISINESS RUNNING A SORE ,THREE LEGGED HAS BEEN............

Dunco .... please.... Square Eddie ran a 1:37 mile and spit the bit....

If you think that horse has any chance of beating Dunkirk bet it big and let me know how it works out for you. I am not taking seriously horses running a slow mile like that.

DUNCO · 04-18-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Draynay

Dunco .... please.... Square Eddie ran a 1:37 mile and spit the bit....

If you think that horse has any chance of beating Dunkirk bet it big and let me know how it works out for you. I am not taking seriously horses running a slow mile like that.

NOT ONLY THAT HORSE BEAT DUNKIRK BUT BEAT Q-ROAD PUT YOUR LUNCH MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS...TIME ONLY COUNTS IN JAIL...........YOU'LL LEARN THAT IN A FEW YEARS

Draynay · 04-18-2009, 08:38 PM

I know... Beyers don't matter.... times don't matter.... workouts don't matter.... yep I have heard it all but they all matter if they lead you to the winner. Dunco if Square Eddie is your Derby pick I wish you luck and bet him big because the only chance he has of hitting the board is jumping the fence.

DUNCO · 04-18-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Draynay

I know... Beyers don't matter.... times don't matter.... workouts don't matter.... yep I have heard it all but they all matter if they lead you to the winner. Dunco if Square Eddie is your Derby pick I wish you luck and bet him big because the only chance he has of hitting the board is jumping the fence.

I GUESS YOU CAN'T READ I SAID HE WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOUR TWO NAGS..PUT UP OR SHUT UP AND IF YOU HAVE ANY BALLS YOU GIVE ME 50-1 YOUR MOVE

Draynay · 04-18-2009, 08:47 PM

Name it ! Square Eddie has no shot at all. To suggest he would finish in front of Quality Road or Dunkirk is crazy at best. But I will be more than happy to take your money. Square Eddie... what a joke.

DUNCO · 04-18-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Draynay

Name it ! Square Eddie has no shot at all. To suggest he would finish in front of Quality Road or Dunkirk is crazy at best. But I will be more than happy to take your money. Square Eddie... what a joke.

I AM DOWN FOR $20 AT 50-1 NOW WE ARE DONE. MAN UP!

Draynay · 04-18-2009, 08:58 PM

Done deal but you get no odds. If you're going to run your mouth and say crazy things back it up. Thinking Square Eddie is going to beat Quality Road and Dunkirk is laughable and doesn't deserve odds. Just be ready to send me a Quality Road hat.

DUNCO · 04-18-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Draynay

Done deal but you get no odds. If you're going to run your mouth and say crazy things back it up. Thinking Square Eddie is going to beat Quality Road and Dunkirk is laughable and doesn't deserve odds. Just be ready to send me a Quality Road hat.

I KNEW YOU HAD NO BALL YOUR A JOKE

Draynay · 04-18-2009, 09:14 PM

Put your money up and stop talking.

DUNCO · 04-18-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Draynay

Put your money up and stop talking.

SO WERE ON AT 50-1 THAT A BET!!

DiscreetCat · 04-19-2009, 12:15 AM

Just saw this updated list from The Downey Profile. As mentioned above, Charitable Man (tied for #18 on this list) is reportedly out.

1 Regal Ransom $1,250,000 Diamond A Racing Corporation (KY) Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin Won UAE Derby

2 Pioneerof the Nile $1,193,250 Zayat Stables
LLC (ON) Bob Baffert Zayat Stables LLC Won Santa Anita Derby

3 Square Eddie $804,981 Kinghaven
Farms (KY) Doug O'Neill J. Paul Reddam 3d, Lexington Stakes

4 I Want Revenge $774,000 David J. Lanzman Racing, Inc. (KY) Jeff Mullins David J. Lanzman Racing Stable, Inc. & IEAH Stables Won Wood Memorial

5 Papa Clem $760,000 Bo Hirsch (KY) Gary Stute Bo Hirsch Won Arkansas Derby

6 Desert Party $641,667 David Smith & Steven Sinatra (KY) Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin 2d, UAE Derby

7 Quality Road $600,000 Edward P. Evans (VA) Jimmy Jerkens Edward P. Evans Won Florida Derby

8 General Quarters $595,645 Mr. & Mrs. R. David Randal (KY) Thomas McCarthy Thomas McCarthy Won Blue Grass Stakes

9 Friesan Fire $570,465 Grapestock LLC (KY) J. Larry Jones Vinery Stables and Fox Hill Farm Won Louisiana Derby

10 Musket Man $485,000 Jim E. Nelson & Sergio De Sousa (KY) Derek Ryan Eric Fein & Vic Carlson Won Illinois Derby

11 Hold Me Back $438,000 Haras Santa Maria de Araras & WinStar Farm (KY) Bill Mott WinStar Farm LLC 2d, Blue Grass Stakes

12 West Side Bernie $385,160 Polo Green Stable & Andrew Savas (KY) Kelly Breen George and Lori Hall 2d, Wood Memorial

13 Chocolate Candy $370,000 Sid Craig & Jenny Craig (KY) Jerry Hollendorfer Craig Family Trust 2d, Santa Anita Derby

14 Win Willie $230,000 Overbrook Farm (KY) Mac Robertson Jer-Mar Stable LLC 4th, Arkansas Derby

15 Bittel Road $211,000 John Iracane (KY) Todd Pletcher James T. Scatuorchio and John Iracane 10th, Lane's End Stakes

16 Advice $206,845 Mr. and Mrs. Samuel H. Rogers, Jr. (FL) Todd Pletcher WinStar Farm LLC Won Lexington Stakes

17 Giant Oak $169,256 Virginia H. Tarra Trust (IL) Chris Block Virginia H. Tarra Trust 2d, Illinois Derby

18 Charitable Man $150,000 Edward P. Evans (VA) Kiaran McLaughlin Mr. and Mrs. W. K. Warren, Jr. 7th, Blue Grass Stakes

18 Dunkirk $150,000 W. S. Farish, James Elkins & W. T. Webber Jr. Todd Pletcher Mrs. John Magnier, Michael Tabor and Derrick Smith 2d, Florida Derby

20 Mine That Bird $138,705 Lamantia Blackburn & Needham/Betz Thoroughbreds (KY) Bennie L. Woolley, Jr. Double Eagle Ranch and Bueno Suerte Equine 4th, Sunland Derby

21 Flying Private $124,000 John & Martha Jane Mulholland (KY) D. Wayne Lukas Robert C. Baker and William L. Mack 5th, Arkansas Derby

22 Mr. Hot Stuff $114,000 WinStar Farm LLC (KY) Eion Harty WinStar Farm LLC 3d, Santa Anita Derby

23 Stormalory $112,838 Stonerside Stable Bill Mott Darley Stable Won Transylvania Stakes

24 Summer Bird $100,000 Dr. K. K. Jayaraman & Dr. V. Devi Jayaraman Tim Ice Dr. K. K. Jayaraman & Dr. V. Devi Jayaraman 3d, Arkansas Derby

DiscreetCat · 04-19-2009, 01:52 AM

Looks like MHS's entry hinges on Bittel Road, assuming that Square Eddie remains on course.

hue21998 · 04-19-2009, 02:11 AM

as you know that list to me now is dissapointing

DUNCO · 04-19-2009, 05:39 AM

summer bird .hello dr,dr ,dr.dr.dr.

rayphil · 04-19-2009, 11:04 AM

they just showed a list on tvg and summerbird was 21 and mr hot stuff was 20.I do think summer bird can get in and hit the board maybe...DUNCO. much credit to you man because you were the only one to call it about flo-mez. I was suprised when I heard that come out of his shit shooter..

04-18-2009, 04:25 PM	#3
DiscreetCat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,130 Thanks: 75 Thanked 195 Times in 164 Posts Rep Power: 18	True, Square Eddie could still defect. But if his owners were so hot to run him in the Derby that they rushed him back from injury and were even talking about training him right into the Derby off a 3-month layoff, then i don't think today's result is going to stop them. __________________ www.DiscreetPicks.com

04-19-2009, 12:15 AM	#21
DiscreetCat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,130 Thanks: 75 Thanked 195 Times in 164 Posts Rep Power: 18	Just saw this updated list from The Downey Profile. As mentioned above, Charitable Man (tied for #18 on this list) is reportedly out. 1 Regal Ransom $1,250,000 Diamond A Racing Corporation (KY) Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin Won UAE Derby 2 Pioneerof the Nile $1,193,250 Zayat Stables LLC (ON) Bob Baffert Zayat Stables LLC Won Santa Anita Derby 3 Square Eddie $804,981 Kinghaven Farms (KY) Doug O'Neill J. Paul Reddam 3d, Lexington Stakes 4 I Want Revenge $774,000 David J. Lanzman Racing, Inc. (KY) Jeff Mullins David J. Lanzman Racing Stable, Inc. & IEAH Stables Won Wood Memorial 5 Papa Clem $760,000 Bo Hirsch (KY) Gary Stute Bo Hirsch Won Arkansas Derby 6 Desert Party $641,667 David Smith & Steven Sinatra (KY) Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin 2d, UAE Derby 7 Quality Road $600,000 Edward P. Evans (VA) Jimmy Jerkens Edward P. Evans Won Florida Derby 8 General Quarters $595,645 Mr. & Mrs. R. David Randal (KY) Thomas McCarthy Thomas McCarthy Won Blue Grass Stakes 9 Friesan Fire $570,465 Grapestock LLC (KY) J. Larry Jones Vinery Stables and Fox Hill Farm Won Louisiana Derby 10 Musket Man $485,000 Jim E. Nelson & Sergio De Sousa (KY) Derek Ryan Eric Fein & Vic Carlson Won Illinois Derby 11 Hold Me Back $438,000 Haras Santa Maria de Araras & WinStar Farm (KY) Bill Mott WinStar Farm LLC 2d, Blue Grass Stakes 12 West Side Bernie $385,160 Polo Green Stable & Andrew Savas (KY) Kelly Breen George and Lori Hall 2d, Wood Memorial 13 Chocolate Candy $370,000 Sid Craig & Jenny Craig (KY) Jerry Hollendorfer Craig Family Trust 2d, Santa Anita Derby 14 Win Willie $230,000 Overbrook Farm (KY) Mac Robertson Jer-Mar Stable LLC 4th, Arkansas Derby 15 Bittel Road $211,000 John Iracane (KY) Todd Pletcher James T. Scatuorchio and John Iracane 10th, Lane's End Stakes 16 Advice $206,845 Mr. and Mrs. Samuel H. Rogers, Jr. (FL) Todd Pletcher WinStar Farm LLC Won Lexington Stakes 17 Giant Oak $169,256 Virginia H. Tarra Trust (IL) Chris Block Virginia H. Tarra Trust 2d, Illinois Derby 18 Charitable Man $150,000 Edward P. Evans (VA) Kiaran McLaughlin Mr. and Mrs. W. K. Warren, Jr. 7th, Blue Grass Stakes 18 Dunkirk $150,000 W. S. Farish, James Elkins & W. T. Webber Jr. Todd Pletcher Mrs. John Magnier, Michael Tabor and Derrick Smith 2d, Florida Derby 20 Mine That Bird $138,705 Lamantia Blackburn & Needham/Betz Thoroughbreds (KY) Bennie L. Woolley, Jr. Double Eagle Ranch and Bueno Suerte Equine 4th, Sunland Derby 21 Flying Private $124,000 John & Martha Jane Mulholland (KY) D. Wayne Lukas Robert C. Baker and William L. Mack 5th, Arkansas Derby 22 Mr. Hot Stuff $114,000 WinStar Farm LLC (KY) Eion Harty WinStar Farm LLC 3d, Santa Anita Derby 23 Stormalory $112,838 Stonerside Stable Bill Mott Darley Stable Won Transylvania Stakes 24 Summer Bird $100,000 Dr. K. K. Jayaraman & Dr. V. Devi Jayaraman Tim Ice Dr. K. K. Jayaraman & Dr. V. Devi Jayaraman 3d, Arkansas Derby __________________ www.DiscreetPicks.com

04-19-2009, 01:52 AM	#22
DiscreetCat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,130 Thanks: 75 Thanked 195 Times in 164 Posts Rep Power: 18	Looks like MHS's entry hinges on Bittel Road, assuming that Square Eddie remains on course. __________________ www.DiscreetPicks.com

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04-18-2009, 04:03 PM	#1
DiscreetCat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,130 Thanks: 75 Thanked 195 Times in 164 Posts Rep Power: 18	Gotta believe that Mr. Hot Stuff has made it into the Derby Just read that Charitable Man is out. Looks like Mr. Hot Stuff is probably getting in. Incidentally, when they showed the latest earnings list on ESPN2's Lexington broadcast, they had MHS pegged @ #19. That was before the winner (Advice) leapfrogged him, so now he'd be listed @ #20. Interestingly, both MHS and Advice are owned by WinStar Farm, so if they they were forced to do it, they would have the option of pulling Advice in order to get MHS in there. Not saying they would do that, but it would be an option. They also own the Lane's End winner Hold Me Back, for whatever that's worth. __________________ www.DiscreetPicks.com

04-18-2009, 04:10 PM	#2
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	Square Eddie needs to stay home and has no business going 1 1/4. Advice ? Whatever.

04-18-2009, 04:56 PM	#4
rayphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Baltimore,Md. Posts: 1,906 Thanks: 78 Thanked 53 Times in 47 Posts Rep Power: 8	he will still run in the derby. I just laughed when they said on espn2 that now gomez has 3 deicsions including advice into the situation. After watching them guys on espn draynay I would be worried because that one guy not bailey put QR as his top pick...I also believe hammerin hank also picked him..Them guys are so annoying to me..Especially bailey the tank..

04-18-2009, 04:59 PM	#5
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	Jerry B. last year predicted Pyro to win the Derby last year right before the race. I have not listened to another word come out of his mouth ever since.

04-18-2009, 05:01 PM	#6
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	I know I have sounded like a broken record... but serioulsly there is no horse even remotely close to Quality Road in speed or talent. The interesting part of the Derby will be to see how Dunkirk does against the field because I truly believe the #1 spot is a given.

04-18-2009, 05:11 PM	#9
hue21998 Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 968 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	Draynay maybe you can slip the square heads connections a few bucks to keep him home. Still hoping for summer bird. Not sure if he would win but sure would have a good shot at hittin the top 4

04-18-2009, 08:38 PM	#13
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	I know... Beyers don't matter.... times don't matter.... workouts don't matter.... yep I have heard it all but they all matter if they lead you to the winner. Dunco if Square Eddie is your Derby pick I wish you luck and bet him big because the only chance he has of hitting the board is jumping the fence.

04-18-2009, 08:47 PM	#15
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	Name it ! Square Eddie has no shot at all. To suggest he would finish in front of Quality Road or Dunkirk is crazy at best. But I will be more than happy to take your money. Square Eddie... what a joke.

04-18-2009, 08:58 PM	#17
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	Done deal but you get no odds. If you're going to run your mouth and say crazy things back it up. Thinking Square Eddie is going to beat Quality Road and Dunkirk is laughable and doesn't deserve odds. Just be ready to send me a Quality Road hat.

04-18-2009, 09:14 PM	#19
Draynay Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 975 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Rep Power: 0	Put your money up and stop talking.

04-19-2009, 02:11 AM	#23
hue21998 Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 968 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	as you know that list to me now is dissapointing

04-19-2009, 05:39 AM	#24
DUNCO Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: sunny florida Posts: 1,262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 34 Times in 2 Posts Rep Power: 0	summer bird .hello dr,dr ,dr.dr.dr.

04-19-2009, 11:04 AM	#25
rayphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Baltimore,Md. Posts: 1,906 Thanks: 78 Thanked 53 Times in 47 Posts Rep Power: 8	they just showed a list on tvg and summerbird was 21 and mr hot stuff was 20.I do think summer bird can get in and hit the board maybe...DUNCO. much credit to you man because you were the only one to call it about flo-mez. I was suprised when I heard that come out of his shit shooter..