Del Mar Track Bias ?

TurfCapper · 07-23-2007, 08:57 AM

I have been watching Del Mar sporadically this week. The main track races I have seen seem to favor horses just off the pace, but not real deep closers.

Any one have more specific data, or an opinion from watching ?

RightAngle · 07-23-2007, 09:44 AM

I've only watched a hand full of dirt races but it seemed to be that not much passing was being done in the stretch unless the passing horse had considerably more energy. Basically no one seemed to have much energy to do much of anything late in races. So definitely you want to be somewhat close

Edward

wire2wire · 07-23-2007, 10:54 AM

UNTIL HORSES ADAPT TO THE NEW SURFACE I THINK CLOSERS ARE IN FOR A HARD TIME...w2w

PacMan · 07-23-2007, 10:59 AM

Some have been saying this new surface is to try and revert the sprint bias in the breeding and forcing endurance back into the game. If that's the case, I think it will be a good thing but have to wonder how long before we start to see the changes?

TurfCapper · 07-23-2007, 12:51 PM

It's interesting because its supposed to be the same surface as Keeneland, but Keeneland really favored late runners . . . I'm not sure where I stand on the surface, its nice to remove a true speed bias, but if it goes the other way and buries any horse on the front end, is that really better ?

Wouldn't the ideal situation be 33 percent won by pace, middle movers, and deep closers - that the track was fair to all, and handicapping the race was found by the combination of the best horse and the pace of the race ?

ballcoach · 07-23-2007, 03:20 PM

Jusy my opinion , but it appears horses that have had a race in the last couple of weeks run better on the main track. Conditioning is the problem, it appears when they reach the turn the horses that have been off stop, or get passed. gl

07-23-2007, 08:57 AM	#1
TurfCapper Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New England Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	Del Mar Track Bias ? I have been watching Del Mar sporadically this week. The main track races I have seen seem to favor horses just off the pace, but not real deep closers. Any one have more specific data, or an opinion from watching ?

07-23-2007, 12:51 PM	#5
TurfCapper Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New England Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	Bias Different for Every Track It's interesting because its supposed to be the same surface as Keeneland, but Keeneland really favored late runners . . . I'm not sure where I stand on the surface, its nice to remove a true speed bias, but if it goes the other way and buries any horse on the front end, is that really better ? Wouldn't the ideal situation be 33 percent won by pace, middle movers, and deep closers - that the track was fair to all, and handicapping the race was found by the combination of the best horse and the pace of the race ?

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07-23-2007, 09:44 AM	#2
RightAngle Administrator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 255 Thanks: 16 Thanked 74 Times in 9 Posts Rep Power: 10	I've only watched a hand full of dirt races but it seemed to be that not much passing was being done in the stretch unless the passing horse had considerably more energy. Basically no one seemed to have much energy to do much of anything late in races. So definitely you want to be somewhat close Edward

07-23-2007, 10:54 AM	#3
wire2wire Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,499 Thanks: 372 Thanked 139 Times in 110 Posts Rep Power: 19	UNTIL HORSES ADAPT TO THE NEW SURFACE I THINK CLOSERS ARE IN FOR A HARD TIME...w2w

07-23-2007, 10:59 AM	#4
PacMan Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 5	Some have been saying this new surface is to try and revert the sprint bias in the breeding and forcing endurance back into the game. If that's the case, I think it will be a good thing but have to wonder how long before we start to see the changes?

07-23-2007, 03:20 PM	#6
ballcoach Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 0	Jusy my opinion , but it appears horses that have had a race in the last couple of weeks run better on the main track. Conditioning is the problem, it appears when they reach the turn the horses that have been off stop, or get passed. gl